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Poster: MrMovie Date: Sep 24, 2008 1:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Copyrighted Or PD ??

Before I decide to upload these three films I wonder if someone can verify the copyright status. I checked four times with the copyright office (on line) and every time I check none of these titles show up as being under copyright. All that pops up is "No Such Title Found." However, I'm still not 100% sure of their status. If anyone has some way to verify the copyrights it would be much appreciated.

1. PASSPORT TO ALCATRAZ 1940 (Columbia Pictures)
2. PRISON SHIP - 1945 (Columbia Pictures)
3. AVALANCHE - 1946 (Imperial Pictures Corporation)

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Poster: k-otic Date: Sep 24, 2008 2:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

Don`t think that they are ... sorry.
A good way to check titles are the online catalog of major pd distributors like

http://www.millcreekent.com
http://www.buyoutfootage.com
http://filmchest.com
... and so on

it`s fast and easy to search them .. and you can be almost sure that those titles are in the public domain

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Poster: Lance Burtcaster Date: Sep 27, 2008 5:29am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

If so, can someone upload "Beyond Justice" with Rutger Hauer and Omar Sharif?

Mill Creek:
http://www.millcreekent.com/viewRecordDetails.asp?contentid=3400

Film Chest:
http://filmchest.com/catalog_20080418.php

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Poster: k-otic Date: Sep 27, 2008 2:02pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

The advatage by searching with Film Chest is that you can see if a title is sold under licence or real public domain

USA ONLY = Sold under licence
WORLDWIDE = Public Domain

the title you have requested is sold by Film Chest and Mill Creek only because they have payed a small licence fee and it is not public domain



This post was modified by k-otic on 2008-09-27 21:02:50

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Sep 27, 2008 8:43pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

Hold that thought! You need to read 20th Century Fox VS DAYSTAR Corp. and the Supreme Court decision on that case which Fox lost. Unless those USA ONLY titles are still in copyright by the original releasing company, once a title falls into the PD it can not be re-copyrighted by anyone.(So say's the Supreme Court).

The only exception in recent memory was the film IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE but there was a loophole with that film which was upheld by the courts that the copyright was in fact still valid even though claims were made that it was not. It was a long case, and if you ever have the time, it's a very interesting case file to read.

Getting back to the USA ONLY having some type of 'fee' paid for copyright is ridiculous. Case in point: They are selling DAVID COPPERFIELD (1970 version) and so is about six or seven other companies even though it says USA ONLY. On their home page they state all films are in the PD and have been researched as such.

The on-line copyright office info -- although they only list films from 1978 forward, if the film was renewed for copyright, even if it was made in the 1930s, 40s, 50s etc., it will show up in their data base with the copyright renewal registration date and the original copyright date. There are a load of them from the 1950s including TV shows. For Example: Type In THE HOUSE NOBODY WANTED and see what comes up. However, that doesn't mean that everything from the first ever copyrighted film is listed out there.

Chances are there are probably thousands of PD Feature Films and a lot of diligent research would have to be done to confirm their PD status. The probable reason no one (or group of persons) has taken the time to publish a book of all PD Feature Films is that type of a project would no doubt take years of extensive research and decades to compile.

AlphaVideo is another company with 1000s of PD products many of which is TV Shows. They put their little tiny logo on the opening credits of PD TV shows and Movies and that is supposed to give some type of alleged copyright to that PD product and they are not the only one's doing that. Have you purchased a Mill Creek product lately? Notice their logo popping up? Again, it's meaningless. They can not possibly claim copyright to those PD products. All those logo's are doing for them is giving them Free Advertising in the event someone want's to copy the DVD and repackage it, but it does not give them copyrights to those PD products. Someone is one day going to invent a divice that eliminates those logos.

Finally, someone uploaded THE FILE ON THEMA JORDAN a copy of which came directly off of Encore's Mystery Channel replete with Logo. Now that might be questionable.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Sep 28, 2008 3:16am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

> Someone is one day going to invent a divice that eliminates those logos.

You can remove them using aviSynth and virtualDub.
Of course, you can't restore what was underneath the logo.
Although the result isn't perfect, it's usually a lot less
noticeable than the logo was.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Sep 27, 2008 11:37pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

Ridiculous?
Okay ... but why does it say USA ONLY?

If you look at the titles marked that way one would asume that those titles are not realy in the public domain.
It looks more like that they use some kind of legal loophole or licencing that allowes them to sell these titles

About the annoying logo thing
I think it gives them some sort of rights for this particular copy.
Some say (not me), that the transfer process from an analog media to an digital media is a work of restauration and puts the digital copy under copyright.
if so, we are all screwed

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Sep 28, 2008 8:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

Because proprietary rights are founded in national laws, an item may be public domain in one jurisdiction but not another. For instance, some works are public domain in the United States but not in the European Union.

This clearly explains the USA ONLY as noted on those films. Or to put it another way. It is PD in the USA ONLY.

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Poster: Dracull Date: Sep 30, 2008 6:59pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

This is exactly what I think too. If you check the movies on www.freemooviesonline.com you will notice that all foreign movies are restricted to US ONLY. So they are PD in US but nobody can tell if they are PD in Germany or Japan for example.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Sep 30, 2008 11:30pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

I don`t think that freemovies.com did much of research.
If you look at the list of awailable title there its almost a complete copy of the films available here
It`s funny how many people do use the stuff i`m uploading here to make some cash ... what about a donation for me?

Being free distributable in the united states dosn`t equal Public Domain (No legal restriction on use)!

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Poster: k-otic Date: Sep 29, 2008 12:56am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

I find it hard to believe that a movie like for example Beyond Justice from 1991 did fall into public domain even under the worst circumstances

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Oct 1, 2008 8:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

I suppose you also find it hard to believe that Night Of The Living Dead was made with no copyright notice whatsoever which put it into the PD immediately upon release.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 1, 2008 11:17am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

It sounds unbelievable... but it`s true

If Beyond Justice becomes Public Domain in Italy then you can say it`s really in the Public Domain.
Just because it is freely available in the United States (for reason unknown) dosn`t make it Public Domain.
That are two pair of shoes

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Oct 1, 2008 11:50am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

Well, here is another really remarkable thing -- The Constitution FORBIDS the U.S. Government from placing copyrights on anything they produce because it is made with tax-payer dollars even if it is a work for hire. However,Disney's "VICTORY THROUGH AIR POWER" is copyrighted by DISNEY even though it was fully paid for by the Government with U.S. Tax Dollars. Now, How and Why you might ask is this even possible? Well, the Disney Characters that appear in the film are Disney Property and Disney somehow managed to secure copyrights to that film. If someone had enough money and a fleet of attorney's to challenge the copyright on the grounds it was paid for by the Government, they might win the case in front of the Supreme Court after Disney ties it up in litigation for 30 years.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 2, 2008 2:26pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

It`s just one movie...

BTW ... what about the not used footage from those movies made for the US Government??

This post was modified by k-otic on 2008-10-02 21:26:13

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Oct 2, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

How are you going to find the 'not used footage' ?? If your planning on going to the National Archives for a few years to sift though all it I wish you well. I'll check in with your form time to time to see how many more millions of feet of film you have left to go through.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 3, 2008 12:38am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

You don`t have to
After the National Archive canceled the cooperation with Google they are now selling all their digitized footage on Amazon for a very low price +/- 30$ each box.
Two years ago you had to pay for the same amount of material 10 times that much

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Oct 6, 2008 6:13pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

You have a link to this stuff on Amazon?

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 7, 2008 1:38am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyrighted Or PD ??

I`m sorry but i checked amazon yesterday and it looks like that they are gone .. only a few are still there but rather expensive.
A few month ago i bought two boxes from amazon with 16 to 21 hours of raw WW2 Footage
it`s funny if you look at those raw footage .. you can see that most of the propaganda movies were made of re-enacted material like The Battle of San Pietro and the other funny thing is that those unedited material is actually filmed in colour while most of the finished movies are only available in black and white

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